From docvert at holloway.co.nz Wed Aug 20 10:34:15 2008 From: docvert at holloway.co.nz (Matthew Holloway) Date: Wed Aug 20 10:34:42 2008 Subject: [Docvert] graphic not converted in odt document In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Orlando, On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 5:06 AM, orlando biazzi wrote: >a graphic ( AFAIK OpenOffice stores it as a kind of SVG markup) > > Could some one try it in his/her installation and/or tell me if this > is a docvert normal "behaviour" ? Yep, unfortunately this is normal behaviour. Your document's content.xml file which I've mirrored at http://holloway.co.nz/docvert/orlando-content.xml shows that it's mostly using ODF Draw rather than SVG. There are SVG namespaces in there[1] but ODF uses them as a sort of grammar for describing its own Draw syntax. Eg, imagine you had an XML attribute of width="4" and then you decided to use more commonly known terms for it by reusing the SVG terminology for width and so it becomes svg:width="4cm". ODF's Draw format took this approach and I think this is appropriate providing that it's understood that this is not SVG -- it's just using the SVG terminology to make it more readily understandable. By the way, some say this helps harmonization and other this is an 'embrace, extend, extinguish'[2] attack on SVG. I do not share either opinion. Now that long explanation doesn't really help get your document converted! Embedding a real SVG would be the workaround, but I suppose we should look a way of converting ODFs Draw format into SVG. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how we might go about that? As ODF draw has features that SVG doesn't I suppose that we could only do an approximation. Would this still be useful or would users just get annoyed a feature-incomplete image converter? [1] Well not really the namespace is "urn:oasis:names:tc:opendocument:xmlns: svg-compatible:1.0" [2] http://idippedut.dk/post/2008/01/Embrace-and-extend---SVG-revisited.aspx -- .Matthew Holloway http://holloway.co.nz/ From obiazzi at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 03:27:17 2008 From: obiazzi at gmail.com (orlando biazzi) Date: Thu Aug 21 09:13:52 2008 Subject: [Docvert] graphic not converted in odt document In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi Matthew On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Matthew Holloway wrote: > Hi Orlando, > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 5:06 AM, orlando biazzi wrote: >>a graphic ( AFAIK OpenOffice stores it as a kind of SVG markup) >> >> Could some one try it in his/her installation and/or tell me if this >> is a docvert normal "behaviour" ? > > Yep, unfortunately this is normal behaviour. :-( > > Your document's content.xml file which I've mirrored at [...] thank you very much for the explanation and the links. I will try to convert the "odt drawing" to a graphic format ( JPG, PNG ) and paste it on the ODT document ... and then will try to reconvert it with docvert > > Now that long explanation doesn't really help get your document > converted! Embedding a real SVG would be the workaround, but I suppose > we should look a way of converting ODFs Draw format into SVG. Does > anyone have any suggestions as to how we might go about that? > > As ODF draw has features that SVG doesn't I suppose that we could only > do an approximation. Would this still be useful or would users just > get annoyed a feature-incomplete image converter? IMHO it would be useful. By the way, today i read this on groklaw news picks: Radio New Zealand Now Offers Audio as Ogg Vorbis [0]. I'm from Argentina, but i'm happy for New Zealand :-) orlando [0] http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday -- Proba Firefox ( http://www.mozilla-europe.org/es/products/firefox/ ): es un navegador como Internet Explorer, pero mas rapido, facil de usar, y lo mas importante: mas SEGURO. Con la extension "ieview" podes seguir usando Internet Explorer para las paginas hechas solo para ese browser ( http://ieview.mozdev.org/ ). Internet Explorer tiene aprox. 23 fallas de seguridad sin parchar y Firefox solo 3 ( fuente: http://secunia.com/product/11/?task=advisories http://secunia.com/product/12434/?task=advisories). From docvert at holloway.co.nz Thu Aug 21 09:23:06 2008 From: docvert at holloway.co.nz (Matthew Holloway) Date: Thu Aug 21 09:23:37 2008 Subject: [Docvert] graphic not converted in odt document In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 3:27 AM, orlando biazzi wrote: > thank you very much for the explanation and the links. I will try to > convert the "odt drawing" to a graphic format ( JPG, PNG ) and paste > it on the ODT document ... and then will try to reconvert it with > docvert Yep, that'll work :) > IMHO it would be useful. Ok, I'll have a look around for any existing ODF Draw to SVG/bitmap converters (do you know any?). If that fails I guess we'll make one. > By the way, today i read this on groklaw news picks: Radio New Zealand > Now Offers Audio as Ogg Vorbis [0]. I'm from Argentina, but i'm happy > for New Zealand :-) Yeah I think that was a result of our recent visit by Richard Stallman. His interview was released in vorbis as well as mp3... which taught RadioNZ about the tech. Cheers, -- .Matthew Holloway http://holloway.co.nz/ From docvert at holloway.co.nz Thu Aug 21 09:37:37 2008 From: docvert at holloway.co.nz (Matthew Holloway) Date: Thu Aug 21 09:37:50 2008 Subject: [Docvert] Mailing List changes due to traveling through Europe Message-ID: Hi folks, >From September 1st through to October 22nd I'll be traveling through Europe (Prague, Netherlands, France, in particular). As I usually vet every email that comes to this list (due to the mailing list software being a bit crap) there might be delays in your messages while I'm traveling. I will occasionally check up on this list and my email, but there's your explanation of where your messages might be. ps. I have a new specialised conversion project called PilferPage. You can read about it here http://holloway.co.nz/pilferpage/ ...don't wipe your screen, it was just the grimy style I was going for. -- .Matthew Holloway http://holloway.co.nz/